I was very pleased to see Andrew Going out of his way to think up the new Rules for the forums and blogs in order to move this place forward, and i commend him for that. also giving the moderators more powers to do the job and enforce the rules.
So what i want to know is this, Are the new rules being enforced yet, if so then lets look at this rule here,,,
(We are trying to build a helpful resource that gives answers to BoonEx software users and gives them opportunity to improve Dolphin, learn about it and share with others. We may as well remove any content that discredits BoonEx in any way. Even if the author feels that they are giving their honest opinion and that critique is justified. It's quite simple - don't like it, tell us; if no answer, still don't like it - do something to fix it; still not there - leave. The catch is that experiences and opinions vary, for different reasons, but we don't need anybody's bitterness publicly expressed without any practical goal that may benefit BoonEx.)
Seems fair enough, after all this site is the meeting place of all users of dolphin, and of course this is also boonex shop window where new clients come and have a look at things and how they are run and so on...
So to the crutch of the matter..... given all of the above, Is one member breaking those rules by having in his signature a list of all people using a fake profile generator, Including one of the developers here...
Doesnt matter what your own view is on these things are , but in the process isnt that putting boonex in a bad light, and of course the RIGHT of the probably paying members to use their own sites as they want without being dictated to by some other member and putting them on a name and shame list, not because it is agaisnt the law to use said profile generators, but this is strickly a moral view, some would say cyber bullying or Cyber harrasment if the member is older ( Cyberbullying" is when a person is threatened, harassed, humiliated, embarrassed or otherwise targeted by another ) and so shouldnt be allowed, and i believe that in itself is illegal in most countries...
The moderator should remove said link in the signature of this very active user, as it clearly breaks the rules of unity
To quote Andrew
"The catch is that experiences and opinions vary, for different reasons, but we don't need anybody's bitterness publicly expressed without any practical goal that may benefit BoonEx."
Are the rules worth the paper they are written on... Mmmmm
Just to point out too, i have made what i see as a very valid point (again), and i have no need to comment further, and i say this so that the moderators here know that this post was not meant to be a flame, it is indeed relevant to this so called new way forward, which i cant see happening while we have underhand antics like this aimed at 1 developer, and a number of members who havent commited a crime, but have a different morality stand point to the member pointing the finger...
Oh and just to point out...
I AM NOT ON THE LIST if anybody is wondering.. i have no vested interest in this other than to get this stopped.
Even though I do not use this fake profile mod, I agree with you 100%. This is not fair to the members to have another member bashing them in this way. To each his own, and that member should just let it be and move on.
You possess an intuitive intelligence so powerful it can help you heal, and relieve stress.
This list is only for those who do not wish to provide support to those using deceitful (and in some cases even illegal) modifications. If you do not care about this list, then simply ignore its existence and move on with your life. If you are on this list and wish to be removed, the proper procedure is located in the link posted both in the opening post of this topic, as well as my signature. Those who wish to use these modifications and do not care that some will not provide support to them need not care, as this list doesn't apply to them.
I would like to remind everyone that the information in this list was compiled from information publicly available and posted by those on this list. It's like if I were to compile a list of every member of a political party, based on them admitting to being a member.
This is not "cyber bullying" or any form of harassment. I am not replying in the topics of those who use these modifications insulting them and baiting them. I am also not sending harassing messages to any of those on this list, either. I simply ignore their forum posts, and if they contact me, I politely turn them away.
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LOL houston, not really, just interested to see what these new rules actually mean in practice.
Oh by the way Magnussoft.. if your list is causing your named members to feel humiliated, embarrassed or otherwise targeted by you, which they are being targeted by you, then you are indeed guilty of cyber bullying and (or) cyber harrasment,
The practice of cyberbullying is not limited to children and, while the behavior is identified by the same definition in adults, the distinction in age groups is referred to as cyberstalking or cyberharassment when perpetrated by adults toward adults, sometimes directed on the basis of sex. Common tactics used by cyberstalkers are to vandalize a search engine or encyclopedia, to threaten a victim's earnings, employment, reputation, or safety.
So on two counts at least, you are targetting and trying to threaten your victims reputation and thats without taking account the feelings of your victims, not a mind reader but i bet they arent too happy. so you are causing them some distress at least.
That is Cyber bullying and cyber harrasment, no mistaking it..
If your intension was to withold your services from these members only (which is your right to do so) then why publish the list. if not to shame them in some way, you are guilty of the above, and something needs doing about it IMHO.
Once again, I reiterate that this information was taken straight from those on this list. For example, some names on this list were discovered because they reviewed the modification, claiming how wonderful it was and how they are actively using it. If anyone on this list is afraid of their reputation being damaged, then they shouldn't have purchased these modifications.
I am in no way threatening people. Nor are anyone on this list a "victim." If those on this list were innocent people using no deceitful modifications and just people with good intentions, everything you have said would be true. However, this is not the case. There are those using these modifications on pay-to-join Websites, which is illegal. Not to mention the profile grabbing modifications are also illegal, as they scrape data from profiles on other social networking Websites and copy the profile onto your own Website. I don't believe someone like Tom would like to see his profile, information, and images on a Website for bondage dating.
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Remember this isnt illegal activety we are talking about here, this is just one person different point of view against another, that creates a public list to target, embarrass and humiliate others who dont agree with a certain stand point... certainly sounds like victimization to me.
deceitful modifications, thats your moral point of view, doesnt make it right, and it certainly isnt right to humilate people who dont agree with you
If your intension was to withold your services from these members only (which is your right to do so) then why publish the list. if not to shame them in some way, you are guilty of the above, and something needs doing about it IMHO.
If the people using these mods don't see anything wrong with using them, why would they feel ashamed about being on the list? That list is only an aggregate of information that is already in the public domain. It's not like he just made it up.
My opinions expressed on this site, in no way represent those of Boonex or Boonex employees.
If your intension was to withold your services from these members only (which is your right to do so) then why publish the list. if not to shame them in some way, you are guilty of the above, and something needs doing about it IMHO.
If the people using these mods don't see anything wrong with using them, why would they feel ashamed about being on the list? That list is only an aggregate of information that is already in the public domain. It's not like he just made it up.
Yes, he has a right to think anything he wants, but he doesnt have a right to make a list, make it public like a list of criminals and post the link to embarrass and humilate, tarnish the reputation of the people on the list.
That is cyberbullying (harrasment) nobody can deny that...
exactly! i'm sure most of the people on that list could care less. i mean, how far can you really go with a business if you are doing that. these are mostly all people that have no clue what they are doing and will be gone in a short period of time anyway.
why even waste the time discussing this? if your on the list and it bothers you, fix it. if not, move on.
If your intension was to withold your services from these members only (which is your right to do so) then why publish the list. if not to shame them in some way, you are guilty of the above, and something needs doing about it IMHO.
If the people using these mods don't see anything wrong with using them, why would they feel ashamed about being on the list? That list is only an aggregate of information that is already in the public domain. It's not like he just made it up.
Yes, he has a right to think anything he wants, but he doesnt have a right to make a list, make it public like a list of criminals and post the link to embarrass and humilate, tarnish the reputation of the people on the list.
That is cyberbullying (harrasment) nobody can deny that...
Please read my above post regarding this. Or, read it here:
Once again, I reiterate that this information was taken straight from those on this list. For example, some names on this list were discovered because they reviewed the modification, claiming how wonderful it was and how they are actively using it. If anyone on this list is afraid of their reputation being damaged, then they shouldn't have purchased these modifications.
I am in no way threatening people. Nor are anyone on this list a "victim." If those on this list were innocent people using no deceitful modifications and just people with good intentions, everything you have said would be true. However, this is not the case. There are those using these modifications on pay-to-join Websites, which is illegal. Not to mention the profile grabbing modifications are also illegal, as they scrape data from profiles on other social networking Websites and copy the profile onto your own Website. I don't believe someone like Tom would like to see his profile, information, and images on a Website for bondage dating.
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I can deny it. Just because the truth is uncomfortable, doesn't make reporting that truth illegal in some way. If it did, there would be a lot of newspapers and magazines getting sued on a daily basis.
My opinions expressed on this site, in no way represent those of Boonex or Boonex employees.
exactly! i'm sure most of the people on that list could care less. i mean, how far can you really go with a business if you are doing that. these are mostly all people that have no clue what they are doing and will be gone in a short period of time anyway.
why even waste the time discussing this? if your on the list and it bothers you, fix it. if not, move on.
this is ridiculous
it isnt ridiculous at all, and unless you are a mind reader, how do you know the people dont care, in fact i know you are wrong, the member in question as been threatened many times with legal action over the list, so people do mind very much, it is damaging members reputation, and causing some distress. Which in most peoples book is wrong. as ive said many times in this topic, this is cyberbullying, and there are whole groups and orgnizations built to stop this sort of behavoir from internet users.
I just feel that boonex should do something about this when it is happening on their own site, with their own members.
I can deny it. Just because the truth is uncomfortable, doesn't make reporting that truth illegal in some way. If it did, there would be a lot of newspapers and magazines getting sued on a daily basis.
What is the truth though in reality.
The truth is one member doesnt like that other members are using somethig that he doesnt agree with, it isnt illegal, like i keep saying this is a moral view point, like some people dont like certain ethnic groups and so on.
thats the real truth, nobody on that list has done anything wrong or illegal, but yet they find themselves on a list, paraded like criminals in some attempt to shame them and bully them to make them stop using the mod...
That is just so wrong,
I really would like to know boonex point of view of this.
I am pulling out of this topic, as the author has shown himself unwilling to read what's being presented to him. If anyone is willing to have a discussion regarding this list and its ethics, please let me know.
This should have also been posted in the disputes section, as this is a dispute with me. The fact that the author of this dispute is ignoring me proves my point for leaving this topic behind.
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Its not a dispute against you at all on the whole you are a very helpfull and valuable member, i have looked at everything regarding this list, and the way it is made public, the intentions of the list is to shame embarrass and hurt the reputation of other unity members, which clearly breaks unity rules. If it was only for your reference to who you will give assistance to, then it wouldnt be made public or worded the way it is, or indeed be in your signature, This is certainly a personel vendetta you have agaisnt these mod users and the list is clearly there for the reasons ive stated above
I really would like to know boonex point of view about this given the new rules in place, where we clearly have one member targeting other members and trying to shame them and damaging their reputations and what anybody with reason would call cyber bullying to make said members stop using the mods or else you stay on this damaging list for no reason what so ever other than they dont hold the same moral view point on these fake profile generators as the list maker.
Awww, come back you know you want to Oh well not to worry, with a bit of luck, people who are on the list will see this topic and can investigate their right a bit further now they know which area to look at, cyber harrasment is taken very seriously, so if boonex isnt going to do anything about it, perhaps people on the list can now
The truth is one member doesnt like that other members are using somethig that he doesnt agree with, ...
I could take that statement a step further and say that you don't like the fact that another member doesn't like that other members are using something that .....etc. I could say that you are guilty of harassing another member just by creating THIS thread and trying to draw a lot of attention.... but I won't, because then someone else could come along and add to the equation and say that I was harassing you.
Before you call something perfectly legal, ask yourself where those thousands of fake profile pictures come from. You don't really think all the purveyors and users have thousands of release forms on file, that grant them permission to use each individual image in a commercial product or on a website... do you?
With that said, I'm outta here. I have nothing more to say on the topic.
My opinions expressed on this site, in no way represent those of Boonex or Boonex employees.
By drawing attention to a member cyber bullying other members, i am guilty of harrasing that member LOL ok
oh well then, id best give up my other sites and places where i am a moderator, because by me telling them the rules, making them follow them, not allowing them to do whatever they want, i must be harrasing them too,
mmmm ok... nice try... Not...
Whatever your argument is over this (apart from the abvious)
Fact is, the generators arent illegal, and so nobody as a right to punish other members for wanting to use them and publicly parade the members like criminals..
simple as...
you cant win the debate, the list is bang out of order, done to shame and hurt the members reputations, not on grounds of criminal behavoir of these members, but because of your view point of it... which isnt the same at all..
Going round in circles because nobody has come up with a valid point for this list based on facts, thats because based on facts the members arent doing any wrong.
More to the point, the only person coming close to breaking the law based on the technical details of cyberbullying is the list maker himself...
and thats one brush i would like tarnishing with, cyberbullying, cyberharrasment...
2. They are, per se, not illegal. They may (depending on situation) be illegal, but that's beyond our control or knowledge.
3. Information about users of those products is indeed publicly available.
4. The list, per se, is not illegal. It may (depending on situation) be illegal, but that's beyond our control or knowledge.
5. The whole point is very arguable, from both sides. I for one, don't mind the list staying online. And I don't have control over that anyway. The link in signature I think has to be judged the following way:
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We have this clause:
2.4. Challenge arguments, not people. If you absolutely need to attack, do not attack other people, attack their argument — and this does not mean changing "you are an idiot" into "your comments are idiotic". If you take issue with someone else's position, try to explain why you disagree with them in a polite and professional manner, providing suitable supporting evidence as required.
The way I see it, this list attacks a fact and draws information about people as part of the details, and it is openly available. So, it may stay.
I would only have one remark though. It is possible that certain names could've been (or may be) listed there without any publicly available evidence (by the author's guess, for example). So, the list must contain links to the evidence that's current and comprehensive. Then it's a fair play.
If, however, there's one member listed "by mistake" and we hear from that member, we would have to ask to remove links to that list from Unity.
This list is an expression of opinion, yes, but it is also a list of facts.
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Personally, I would rather not see neither this list nor the mods it covers.
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The thread and the quesiton is still open, opinions welcome.
The list should be removed. This is a Forum to both help members and promote Dolphin. If anyone feels so strongly, let them post this list on their own web site and field any questions legal or otherwise on their own turf and leave the rest of us to get on with the business of helping one another. AND no I do not like these profile generators either.
Stuart
There are none so blind as those that will not see.
You know, I never even desired to look at the list until now, but since there was such an uproar about it, hell I had to take a peek!
Wow Magnussoft! That is one hell of a list! Impressive!
If anything, the people on the list just got a free advertisment for their products tyke.
So this thread seems to have helped on both sides! free advertisement for the developers, and also to caution the ones who are against it!
Amazing how things work out sometimes!LOL
It is hard to compete with those sites that use fake profiles,like friendfinders and such, Hell I'm competing with some now, and its hard not to go over to the darkside and get 3000 members on a click of a button, I have thought about it several times, but my member base is getting full finally, and I recognize every member on my site now, so I feel good about it!
Good dispute! (just hate there can't be a winner on thisone)
2. They are, per se, not illegal. They may (depending on situation) be illegal, but that's beyond our control or knowledge.
3. Information about users of those products is indeed publicly available.
4. The list, per se, is not illegal. It may (depending on situation) be illegal, but that's beyond our control or knowledge.
5. The whole point is very arguable, from both sides. I for one, don't mind the list staying online. And I don't have control over that anyway. The link in signature I think has to be judged the following way:
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We have this clause:
2.4. Challenge arguments, not people. If you absolutely need to attack, do not attack other people, attack their argument — and this does not mean changing "you are an idiot" into "your comments are idiotic". If you take issue with someone else's position, try to explain why you disagree with them in a polite and professional manner, providing suitable supporting evidence as required.
The way I see it, this list attacks a fact and draws information about people as part of the details, and it is openly available. So, it may stay.
I would only have one remark though. It is possible that certain names could've been (or may be) listed there without any publicly available evidence (by the author's guess, for example). So, the list must contain links to the evidence that's current and comprehensive. Then it's a fair play.
If, however, there's one member listed "by mistake" and we hear from that member, we would have to ask to remove links to that list from Unity.
This list is an expression of opinion, yes, but it is also a list of facts.
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Personally, I would rather not see neither this list nor the mods it covers.
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The thread and the quesiton is still open, opinions welcome.
A big BOOOOO!
What a shame you allow a member to continue to harrase other members; when new rules were created to address this.
You stated this would not continue on Unity, it is...
If the list is "OK" why not allow him to post the list on a forum sticky in the disputes section here on Unity?
How long would the list stay posted there?
This kind of immaturity makes me feel uncomfortable here, I can't image the new people coming in a reading this...
I've been on using Dolphin since January this year and find it harder and harder to continue, most of the help here is NON existent and too much attitude when you do get it.
IMO
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Alright, I feel it's about time I return to this topic, especially since Andrew has grace it with his presence.
This list first began as a way for me to know who is and who is not using these modifications, with the purpose being to make it easier for me to know who to provide support to and who not to. As all of you know, this all began several months ago with my first blog post regarding fake profile modifications. I find nothing wrong with having one or two, or even ten profiles on your Website, as long as the purpose is for development or general testing. However, I do find something very wrong with those who generate thousands of profiles from a compressed file. I especially find something very wrong with those who scrape profiles from the leading social networking Websites to add to their own, as this is completely illegal. The fact is, these modifications are used with intent to deceive, and in the case of pay-to-join Websites, to fraud. I'll admit, my displeasure for the auto-online modifications is more personal compares to all of the other modifications on this list. These types of modifications are just as deceitful by simulating activity by forcing the accounts of members, whether actually online or not, to the online status. If one of the Websites I frequented did this beyond testing purposes, I would not be happy about it.
I first announced this list with the purpose of allowing anyone else who shares my views and wishes to not provide support to users of these modifications an easy way of knowing who is and who is not using them. This was met with both support as well as anger, with the latter completely understandable. Those against this list have tried to amount it to a "hit list" (seriously) and even "racism" (seriously, again). They believe that I have no right to publish this information, as it produces a form of harassment upon those on this list. Does this list harass those on it? I do not believe so. Many on this list do not care about being on it, as they have told me themselves, some even when reporting themselves because they find this list so mediocre. As I have said before, those on this list are denied support from me and several other members here because of their choice to use these modifications, just as it is our choice to choose who and who not to provide support to. Those who have gotten support from these members in the past and don't want to lose it, may choose to remove these modifications, but it's their choice. Those who do not care either way and get support from their agent need not even give myself or this list the time of day, as I have been told in the past.
In reality, the claims that this list amounts to "cyber bullying" isn't true. If those on this list didn't want to be added, they shouldn't have purchased these modifications. If they find it harms them to be on this list, then they recognize that these modifications are not being used with good intent, in which case, those on this list are not "victims." If anyone should be regarded as a victim, it's the real members of the Websites using these modifications, as they have been deceived, used, and in the case of pay-to-join Websites, scammed.
I would also like to add that in no way do I actually harass anyone on this list. I do not send harassing messages to anyone on this list. Nor do I spam every one of their topics with baits and other harsh words. I simply ignore them. For those who contact me, I politely turn them away and even let them know that some members here will actively support them. I do not believe just because someone is on this list, they have to be treated like dirt.
It is the choice of every person to either support this list, or condemn it. I have said in the past, and I will continue to say it, that it is your own choice. Though I may not agree with it, it is still your choice to make.
Regarding how this list is compiled, the information was found easily and without any form of deception. I can safely say that a good eighty percent of names on this list were discovered by reading the reviews of these modifications in the Market. The other twenty percent was found by information posted in the forums, Websites section, or their profile. I recognize the concern for the possibility that someone was "guessed" onto this list, but this isn't the case. Everyone on this list has been proven to have either purchased the modification in question, or are using it on the Website they have posted publicly. I remind everyone that those who have only purchased these modifications are ultimately removed. The purchasing of these modifications shows intent to use, which warrants being added to this list. However, if they decide for whatever reason not to use these modifications, then they are removed, either through a petition or myself finding out on my own.
In one of the previous versions of this list, I included a link to the profile and modification as a way to verify. For the most part, though, all you need to do is read the reviews for the associated modification and you will find that name amongst the dozens. However, I will consider adding further evidence to support those on this list, and feedback regarding this is always welcomed.
I recognize that I have made this list more public than it should have ever been. For the time being, I'm removing the direct link to this list and instead linking to the related blog post. I will continue to evaluate whether or not to keep it in my signature.
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I believe that some people are over generalizing over the use of these mods. It might surprise you that i dont like the mod either, but thats not the point. Yes we have all seen the sites with 20,000 fake members that charge £40 to join only to find there are not many real members, and its very obvious the site owner is trying to dupe people, but just because there are people like that out there, that doesnt mean that everybody is doing that just because they are using the mod.
I knew of one person way back, that was using the mod to test site loads, and report how the site behaved under certain member load, and also i know from experience that people also use the mod just to make them feel better about having an empty site knowing real members wont join an empty site, no money changes hands its all phycological and a way to get the site going. The list maker though as taken it on himself to play the policeman judge and jury and parade these other unity members like criminals "do as i say or stay on the list". These members are not breaking any rules, or ingaging in any illegal activety.
there only crime is to not have the same moral stand point as the list maker.
The tone of the list is very worrying too, i urge people to read it. Then come back and tell me its not designed to bully other unity members to stop using the mod, which you then have to prove it to be taken off the list.
Some people in this thread have said that the list doesnt matter, that they probably arent all that botherd. If this is the case, then why are people threatening legal action if their name isnt taken off the list, if its not causing other unity members on the list some distress.
Its also been said too that the list was only created for reference to whom the list maker would give assistance to, which is a fair enough, but if that is the case, then why is it made so public and paraded about like a threat and made easily accessable to other unity members if not to
target, humiliate, embarrss and damage the reputation of other unity members on the list.. technically thats cyberbullying and cyberharrasment.
The list maker falsely seems to think that because he isnt in active contact with the members on the list that he isnt bullying them, when in reality, the list exsistence, its targetting of unity members, and its intensions (humilaite, embarrass and damage reputations) is all that is needed to be a case of cyberbullying.
This is the reason i take great offence to the list, im not on the list, i dont like these mods either, but that doesnt give me the right to make lists of other unity members, parade them like criminals and try and bully them into stopping using them, just because my moral stand point is different to theres.
1. Yeah well i worked on many peoples sites that are on that list and that mod is no where to be found on there site or in the modules folder.
2. This list just shows me that all the mods i bought on here i make sure to never leave feedback or comments on the mods i buy here. Because of this list you are forcing me not to leave comments and it is hurting other good mod authors on here from getting a good review because i fear i may end up on a list of a mod you dont like for one reason or another.
3. I said it before in your blog post and forum post - To those of you using any of these mods i would be happy to give you support with your site where i can.
4. I am working on a site right now with a member that is on that list and he used the mod to learn about dolphin and to see what it would look like with 100 members and then used deanos tools to log on with each member and add content for some of the members.
After he was done and learned what he needed to and what dolphin can do he deleted the entire website and started fresh. This person has no clue they are on said list and the fact that it now shows this user as having fake profiles on his site is complete bullshit.
I will say this again when i buy i mod on dolphin or anyone else for that matter please do make sure to never leave a comment or feed back for the mod author or this could happen to you! There that should help the sales of the mods mad by boonex developers and others.
1. Yeah well i worked on many peoples sites that are that list and that mod is no where to be found on there site or in the modules folder.
2. This list just shows me that all the mods i bought on here i make sure to never leave feedback or comments on the mods i buy here. Because of this list you are forcing me not to leave comments and it is hurting other good mod authors on here from getting a good review because i fear i may end up on a list of a mod you dont like for one reason or another.
3. I said it before in your blog post and forum post - To those of you using any of these mods i would be happy to give you support with your site where i can.
4. I am working on a site right now with a member that is on that list and he used the mod to learn about dolphin and to see what it would like like with 100 members and then used deanos tools to log on with each member and add content for some of the members.
After he was done and learned what he needed to and what dolphin can do he deleted the entire website and started fresh. This person has no clue they are on said list and the fact that it now shows this user as having fake profiles on his site is complete bullshit.
I will say this again when i buy i mod on dolphin or anyone else for that matter please do make sure to never leave a comment or feed back for the mod author or this could happen to you! There that should help the sales of the mods mad by boonex developers and others.
If they are no longer using the related modification, then I will update the list and remove them. Those added were added because they have purchased and used the modification. I try to update individual names whenever I can (for example, removing a name when their related Website has been removed), but it's not always that easy.
I'll be sure to add you and everyone else to my list of users for the Deanos Tools modification. It's scandalous!
I've said it before and I will say it again that anyone is welcome to piss on this list, ignore it, and provide support to whoever they like. I don't hold it against anyone, as nothing involved with this is personal.
Send me the name of the person and I will remove them at once. Please see point number one, too.
I don't want to cause people to be afraid of posting reviews for modifications and other products. However, I suppose "out of sight, out of mind" works.
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If they are no longer using the related modification, then I will update the list and remove them. Those added were added because they have purchased and used the modification. I try to update individual names whenever I can (for example, removing a name when their related Website has been removed), but it's not always that easy.
I'll be sure to add you and everyone else to my list of users for the Deanos Tools modification. It's scandalous!
I've said it before and I will say it again that anyone is welcome to piss on this list, ignore it, and provide support to whoever they like. I don't hold it against anyone, as nothing involved with this is personal.
Send me the name of the person and I will remove them at once. Please see point number one, too.
I don't want to cause people to be afraid of posting reviews for modifications and other products. However, I suppose "out of sight, out of mind" works.
It has to be said that your attitude towards other unity members is a bit worrying,
see item 2
see item 5
Not to mention for you to have made the list in he first place...
On the whole you are a very helpful member, but with the case of the list, you are indeed damaging this community and making people very nervous as jay points out, not because they are doing anything wrong, but because of your very worrying behavoir of publically trying to hurt the reputations of other unity members.
2. I'll be sure to add you and everyone else to my list of users for the Deanos Tools modification. It's scandalous!
I didnt say i used the tool you tool. I said they did to test the site along with the profile mod.
This is the point in fact
Item 2 is a direct threat to all unity members to add them to the list for using a certain mod, which in turns makes members feel threatened, and you cant feel threatened unless somebody is targetting you in some way...
Like one member points out in this thread, the new unity rules are supposed to be designed to stop this sort of harrasment towards other members, and its becoming obvious that the list maker shows no understanding or remorse for this underhand dirty tricks campain of trying to hurt the reputations of other (some well established) unity members.
The rules do need to be applied in this case, the list maker is most definiatly breaking the rules, making other members feel harrassed and threatened, and it needs stopping.
Point two was actually my sense of humor. Apologies if you thought I was actually serious about that.
perhaps you havent noticed, but nobody is laughing or thinks this is funny. Being targetted, threatened and harrassed isnt really a laughing matter no matter what your moral view point on something is...
If they are no longer using the related modification, then I will update the list and remove them. Those added were added because they have purchased and used the modification. I try to update individual names whenever I can (for example, removing a name when their related Website has been removed), but it's not always that easy.
I'll be sure to add you and everyone else to my list of users for the Deanos Tools modification. It's scandalous!
I've said it before and I will say it again that anyone is welcome to piss on this list, ignore it, and provide support to whoever they like. I don't hold it against anyone, as nothing involved with this is personal.
Send me the name of the person and I will remove them at once. Please see point number one, too.
I don't want to cause people to be afraid of posting reviews for modifications and other products. However, I suppose "out of sight, out of mind" works.
It has to be said that your attitude towards other unity members is a bit worrying,
see item 2
see item 5
Not to mention for you to have made the list in he first place...
On the whole you are a very helpful member, but with the case of the list, you are indeed damaging this community and making people very nervous as jay points out, not because they are doing anything wrong, but because of your very worrying behavoir of publically trying to hurt the reputations of other unity members.
Not nice at all.
Totally agree ..seems really personal, re read your letter.
It's the way the letter is composed.
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Tyke, you really need to give this a rest. You've expressed your opinion, and we all now know what that opinion is. You have escalated this to the point where it is you, that is harassing another member.
Take a break already. There are much more pressing issues to worry about.
My opinions expressed on this site, in no way represent those of Boonex or Boonex employees.
Tyke, you really need to give this a rest. You've expressed your opinion, and we all now know what that opinion is. You have escalated this to the point where it is you, that is harassing another member.
Take a break already. There are much more pressing issues to worry about.
This is an open disscussion, why are you telling members what to do HL?
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Tyke, you really need to give this a rest. You've expressed your opinion, and we all now know what that opinion is. You have escalated this to the point where it is you, that is harassing another member.
Take a break already. There are much more pressing issues to worry about.
Interesting concept there HL, because im pointing to a very important issue of one members attitude and harrasment of other unity members, it is me that is now harrasing that member.. Mmmmm ok...
Perhaps im guilty of making that member feel embarrased for using dirty tricks to hurt other unity members reputation for no good reason, and if it was me, i would feel embarrased too, but somehow i dont thinks so.
Truth is uncomfortable isnt it, to be pointed out and proving that a member is guilty of cyberbullying to get what the list maker wants, which is to FORCE people to stop using the said mod or else...
I find it quite scary to be honest that people are allowed to get away with such an open case of cyber harrasment, you too have been a victim of it with the odd member trashing your proflle or popping over to your site and so on., so i do find it very suprising that you are indeed sticking up for such a thing. Obviously you are biased on this matter and refuse to look at the facts.
I have been respectful throughout this topic, and the most you can come up with is
Shut up tyke!
Please dont insult my intellegence or the intellegence of other members on unity.
This list is bang out of order, and any self respecting person can see it, and is a blatant attempt to publicly damage the reputation of the people who dare to use this legal mod and threaten those who might think about using it at a later date.
I dont see anything more pressing than addressing that behavoir within this community.
Somebody please give me a valid reason based on fact why this list is fair and right to damage peoples reputations, people who are just ordinary members on unity and not criminals.
I'll be waiting a long time because nobody can and "I dont like this mod" is not a valid reason to make a public damaging list.
Its that simple
Targetting innocent people for any reason, is wrong.
Big question is, if this isnt stopped, then where does it end, what list is next.
The rules where made to stop this, so its about time they were implimented.
Oh, I'm not embarrassed. On the contrary, this topic is what inspired me to update the look of the list to be more visually appealing (I hope you like it!). Also, you claim you've proven that I'm a "cyber bully" (which is really just a misused buzz word), but I've yet to see actual proof beyond you emphasizing random words and linking to Wikipedia articles.
I hope you enjoy the video. It should ease some of the unneeded tension in here.
And yes, I no longer find this topic to be serious. The list will continue, whether you like it or not.
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LOl, magnassoft, you aint doing yourself any favours, you have no idea that you are showing yourself up to have the attitude that i am describing.
Give a person enough rope and they will hang themselves
Oh and i rest my case, you have no remorse for your cyber bulling of other unity members, this is why boonex should take action to protect the integrety of the site, and impliment the rules as stated in the O.P, if of course the rules mean anything, i guess we all wait with bated breath to see the outcome and the first real test of this new utopia.
Let me just sum this up for everybody: Magnussoft doesn't like people using deceptive techniques....Tyke doesn't like magnussoft aggregating public information about all the people that do this.....I don't like Tyke harassing magnussoft about it.... Newton doesn't like me suggesting that tyke take a break...Devin doesn't think anybody cares about the list.....lots of people don't like magnussoft...and I don't like anyone.
Did I miss anything?
On a personal note, I don't recall ever seeing the word 'Bully' used quite so often, and so adamantly, which leads me to believe there is something more to all of this than just an opposing opinion to some list. I honestly don't understand how someone can work themselves into such a frenzy over it.,,, or why. Defending yourself is one thing, but assuming the role of someone else's white knight, is a bit unsettling to me.
My opinions expressed on this site, in no way represent those of Boonex or Boonex employees.
I have nothing agaisnt Magnussoft, i have twice i believe said, that the member is a helpful and i believe i said valuble member in this topic.
yes i have used cyberbully in this thread because in point of fact that is what is going on with the list what else would you call it when a person is trying to force other people, by use of public harrasment and or embarrament and damaging members reputation named on a public list, which people are so distressed about, they are threatning legal action.
Im no white knight, but i do take it on board when i see this kind of behavoir, when the people on the list seem so helpless because of the arrogance and dirty tricks of a fellow member. Ive stuck to my guns, because i know i am right about this, which i hardly call being worked into a frenzy :-)
Ive been here a long time, and many members will agree with me that the thing that lets this site down, and puts people off from interacting on the site and is damaging to the community is the complete lack of control and free for all in the past
I was very pleased, as im sure most people were to hear Andrew mentioning that new rules would be put in place to finaly tone the site down and be a rewarding place to be, but how can that happen when we have antics like these being allowed, spoiling it for members who dont want to come here and feel threatened just because they dont hold the same view point on something as simple as using a mod, which used in the correct way, can be usefull if you are just starting out...
we either have rules or we dont.. they shouldnt be selective on a member basis, and should be implimented when its so blatently obvious that one member is targetting other members on unity...
On any other site there would have been action taken over this list, at the very least, not allow the member to advertise the list aimed at the site members and one developer, and if the list maker persisted to baltantly threaten other site members to stay away from the mod or get put on the list, then they would be banned. and i repeat myself yet again for people who arent listening, for those who think the list doesnt matter then why the legal threats towards the member.
The list does matter when it is paraded publicly on the site where it hurts the members the most and Unity will never move forward under circumstances like these, which is what i want more than anything.
I do believe that this topic is going nowhere. Allow me to explain:
tyke will continue to create posts regarding his displeasure for this list, and continue to not read any post which would correct the inaccurate claims in his posts. He will continue to use buzz words to prove his arguments.
Magnussoft will continue to update his list and further work on ensuring only those using these modifications are added. He will also further work to remind people that he is not harassing anyone, and that he doesn't even reply to posts by those using these modifications.
Principle Seymour will continue to hit on Miss Richardson, only to be rejected every time. He will later find his true calling as a pony boy at a bar in downtown San Francisco.
Amazingly enough, I actually forgot that this list existed until tyke made this topic. It hadn't been updated for months until this topic not only reminded me that it existed, but inspired me to further my work.
I have considered doing away with this list many times in the past, as it makes no difference whether it exists or not, but topics like this are the thing that keeps it alive.
I will continue to post in this topic only if allowed to embed cute videos of Japenese cats.
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On any other site there would have been action taken over this list, at the very least, not allow the member to advertise the list aimed at the site members and one developer, and if the list maker persisted to baltantly threaten other site members to stay away from the mod or get put on the list, then they would be banned.
On any other site there would have been action taken over this list, at the very least, not allow the member to advertise the list aimed at the site members and one developer, and if the list maker persisted to baltantly threaten other site members to stay away from the mod or get put on the list, then they would be banned.
I am no longer advertising the list. It was never my intention, and I recognize there is no need for it. However, you are now the main advertiser of this list. Most haven't even heard of this list until you made this topic.
I am in no way threatening anyone. In fact, I do not even reply to forum posts of those on this list, nor do I send them any messages. I simply ignore them (as this list is meant to allow). I repeatedly make it known that you are free to use these modifications if you like, but I will not support you (but others will, and I have in the past directed people towards those who do). As my uncle always told me: "It's your choice to use any modification you like, and it's my choice to support you or not. Now, bend over." As I have said in the past, this list is only for those who are providing support and do not wish to support those using these modifications. Anyone else shouldn't even bother peeking, as there's nothing exciting to look at. I will again tell you that people have actually come to me and reported themselves, just to show me how useless my list is. Victims indeed.
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your arrogance and childish video responses dont impress me. i have made very valid points throughout this topic, you have made non what so ever and thats because this list of yours is venegful and done out of spite to try and tarnish other members of unity
I really cant imagine what must be going through a persons mind to want to make a list like this in the first place, if it was innocently put togther without malice, then the valid points that have been raised in this topic should at least have made you consider that your list is not innocent, and is damaging, but your responses have shown me and others im sure, that the sole intention of this list is indeed one of malice against other unity member, and thats just nasty.
I guess the ball is in Boonex court now, as there is no reasoning with such a personality as yours.
your arrogance and childish video responses dont impress me. i have made very valid points throughout this topic, you have made non what so ever and thats because this list of yours in venegful and done out of spite to try and tarnish other members of unity
I really cant imagine what must be going through a persons mind to want to make a list like this in the first place, if it was innocently put togther without malice, then the valid points that have been raised in this topic should at least have made you consider that your list is not innocent, and is damaging, but your responses have shown me and others im sure, that the sole intention of this list is indeed one of malice against other unity member, and thats just nasty.
I guess the ball is in Boonex court now, as there is no reasoning with such a personality as yours.
regards
Tyke
I feel like a broken record when replying to you.
Have a nice day.
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I know you are trying to rile me, and i know you are trying to flame this topic into some sort of argument so it will be taken down, but its not going to happen.
All you are doing is making it blatantly obvious to everybody what im saying is true and what your true motives are behind your actions and boonex needs to do something about it..
I know you are trying to rile me, and i know you are trying to flame this topic into some sort of argument so it will be taken down, but its not going to happen.
All you are doing is making it blatantly obvious to everybody what im saying is true and what your true motives are behind your actions and boonex needs to do something about it..
Heres hoping.
Nothing else to say really...
Actually, I do not care what your reaction is, but I'd prefer if you also found the video of cats cute. I am not trying to manipulate your posting behavior, but instead am showing how serious I believe one can take this topic after an entire day of actually taking it seriously. We have made our points known and now all we are doing is entering a cycle of endless bickering.
As for the topic, I do not care if it remains glorified at the top for all eternity or suddenly vanishes, never to be seen again. I have made myself perfectly clear and have defended myself quite enough. All this topic has caused is the largest advertisement campaign this list has ever known, all thanks to you. I should be paying you, but my mother says that I still owe her the five dollars that I spent last week on those erotica videos.
Have a nice day.
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All-right, we're going circles, and for no reason now - the link to the list is no longer here. Thank you for removing it, Magnussoft. No matter if this list is a good thing or not there's no reason wasting everyone's time discussing it.
For those that have some spare time, want to help the community and can write well, some suggestions:
1. We have a Wiki in Trac where we've opened a "Tutorials" section. You could start writing a tutorial for newcomers, or a specific set of instructions on some area, like, say "Installing Dolphin on Windows", "Security considerations", "Administration best practices", "Migration from ...", etc.
2. In forum, it would be nice to discuss things like: suggestions and code examples on improving Dolphin pages HTML, CSSs and JSs; practical suggestions and tools that improve Dolphin speed; how to upgrade modified Dolphin without problems - collaborative checklist; SEO improvements and suggestions, etc.
3. In Blogs, we'd be happy to see posts like "My Dolphin experience and take-outs: guide for newbies"; "My list of Unity's best extensions and my experience using them", etc.
4. In Websites - you're welcome to submit your sites that offer Dolphin-related services, or products. It's not only for Dolphin-powered sites. Just make sure to upload a thumbnail and write a good description.
If we all channel our efforts into creating concise and helpful lists/blocks of information - that would not only save us some time moderating Unity, but would also speed up and R&D process for Dolphin. We all want a fast, stable, secure, SEO-strong and nicely-coded product as a result. So, let's work on it.
Oh well not to worry, with a bit of luck, people who are on the list will see this topic and can investigate their right a bit further now they know which area to look at, cyber harrasment is taken very seriously, so if boonex isnt going to do anything about it, perhaps people on the list can now
