sub admins with access restrictions

Hello fellas, Im still waiting for some mod capable of more deep structure of administrators. I mean subadmins with ability to perform certain tasks and also with restricted backend access based upon permisiions. Is there some mod like this or is this functionality planned for future releases ?  Im into dolphin from v7 release and still waiting and waiting but seems this is highly overlooked feature or how you guys with live sites with some live members administer your sites ? Give full admin access to more persons is too dangerous and myself only have no time to perform all administrator task only by me. I was waiting and waiting but seems nobody else cares about this so Im curious how you actually administrate your sites ?

David

Have you try it searching on the market?

Have you create a membership account using administration and create some previleges?

what do you mean sub admin here? is this sub admin capable to login to your administration and doing some change to your site but limited action like that?

Hello . Yes I diod search throught maket but didnt find anything .By default dolphin have wuite extensive ation restrictions for mambers. Also there is couple og great access control modules but seems like nothing for admin backend. YEs I mean ability to create differnt levels of admins with limited access and action restrictions....

it must be big planning for you ^_^.

hem let's me thing a moment...

actually i like dolphin 6, it has a moderator feature (sub admin) that can login to administration with limited access,

i don't have any solution yet about this dolphin 7,

may be you can hire a developer ,,,  :'(

hmm hope somebody can make a madule with this function. I cant afford pay custom development for module ...it will be too pricey :-( I was hoping to see this feature in 7.1 tasklist but nothing like that is there  :-(

Yes, it will be too priceely...  ^_^

hopefully another expert will answer this theard,

Also Hope that somebody else reply to this topic. WIthout subadmin accounts site can be managed by only one admin and its unacceptable :-( ...

Anyway thanks for your thoughts...

TO ALL: hey guys what u think about this ?

nobody ?

cant believe that Im only one who see sub admin account feature as a must for dolphin site...

You can create a moderator membership level, but it's still pretty limited. They decided to take out the actual moderation system in the initial release of Dolphin 7 for what I believe was an unwillingness to hold back development on that sole feature.

Thamks for reply Magnus. YOu are right if I create moderator membership level its absolutely not enough to really administer core stuff because of limited core member action permission functionality which doesnt include many of admin tasks and access in backend cant be also divided into separate access level sections. Im quite surprised that actualy at least nobody didnt make any commerial module for this as I see sophisticated, safe  subadmin level accounts as main core function of every community based system - without this site with more members cant be practically administrated :-( Only way is to make full admin accounts to people I trust but anyway this people can destroy whole site accidentally if they have full admin rights.... Can you Magnus please as moderator or somebody else post this as feature request ? I would also welcome some boonex team reply on this as I wanted buy some licences but need tom know if this feature will be considered for 7.1 or if somebody maybe already developing this as commercial module....

I see heaps of new features will come in 7.1 but not moderation system which should have I believe absolute priority against all other enhancements..

cant be sub admin system from D6 implemented somehow to D7 ?

Dolphin 7 is based on Dolphin 6.1, so it's moderator code can be adapted to work with the new system, but it'd require quite a bit of work. You'd have to hire someone and the pay may not be cheap.

Edit: I should add that much (if not all) of the moderator code is still in Dolphin 7, but just commented out. I believe the moderator features will be back for Dolphin 7.1.0, so you may want to wait a bit and see what happens.

Hello Magnus,  thanks for info..... hmmm inresting that moderatorcode is in d7 just commented out. Yes I hope it will be added - just Im surprised I dont see that in development roadmap in 7.1 log - there is heaps of new functions but nothing about moderator features.

Dolphin Team can you give us sopme info about this in this topic please ?

I recall them mentioning that moderation features will be back in a future version, but I'm not sure which they are referring to. I can only assume it's Dolphin 7.1.0, but that may not be it. Hopefully a developer can post in this topic and shed some light on the situation.

yes I hope too some of developers reply here and will give some more info regarding this :-) ...

Happy Holidays everyone.

I have D7 and I would like (no cross that)...I NEED moderator system/module.
Nice to have would be.

a. Ability for admin to email all moderators.

b. Activate/Deactivate Moderators.

c. Different access levels for moderators. Module Level moderator access.
eg. Admin setups up member Mr. X as a moderator on the forum.
Later Admin could setup Mr. X as a moderator for the forum as well as blogs.
Yet later the admin could remove Mr X from moderating forums and keep him as a moderator on blogs only.

If the plans for your sites are to small then you as the moderator will cut it.

But if you have major plans then moderators are going to be a necessity.

happy holidays to you also :-) . Yes you are absolutely right. I tried dolphin on university project with cca 800 people - full load - people did all things for testing purposes - posting videos, forum, blogs, photos etc... WIthout moderator levels I was basicly unable to operate site without spend whole day/night at computer administer site. Its absolutely necessary to have moderators to help with administration of site. With experience fromk my testing with uni students I cant go live with real site as than only job I will do is sitting and administrating site.

I think sophisticated sub admins level accounts should have now absoluitely TOP priority agains all other stuff.

I dont know how you guys who have real site with live members (more than 100 active members) actually administer your sites without sub admin accounts ?

You can add more administrators (who can be people you trust) to your site, but this of course means that they have complete access to your administration panel.

Hello magnus, Yes I know I can create accounts with full admin access - but its very rsky that people can messup whole site if they have access to all features

One wrong move by some admin you add and they could remove a bunch of content without even realizing they did so. If they simply remove or uninstall a module like forums, blogs, videos, etc. There goes all your work in a one second pop. They may not know that. You would need to teach them, or tell them hands off don't touch x-area. But then when you tell some people that it leads to more curiosity. They could also fudge up the database if they start adding, creating, moving, whatever things unintentional too.

You could restore if they messed something up, but that can be a pain and time-consuming too.

You really would need someone familiar with dolphin or willing to teach them with that kind of permission or access level.

We definitely need more moderation levels with definable access areas in Dolphin.

give full admin access to even good friends is that dangerous exactly for things you name gameutopia that its not really worth risk of messing up site - I totally agree with you that admins can even mess up things accidentaly not talking about site takover etc..... there is definitely need for subadmins with ability restrict access to certain functions for subadmins and need for approve by superadmin to some tasks also.

Im quite sad that nobody from dev team reply to this thread as its certain there is more people who yould like to know boonex plans regarding subadmin features ...

Unfortunately, that's what you're limited to:

• Give trusted people administrator privileges.
• Create a new membership level for moderators and go nuts with the global permission options.
• Hire a developer to either create or 'fix' the needed code for a proper moderation system.
• Wait for BoonEx to re-implement the moderation system, whenever that is.
• Switch to Dolphin 6.1.6, which still has the moderation system in place.
• Do nothing and have some leftover eggnog.

It isn't pretty.

yes u are right magnus :-( I asked Modzzz and he consider to make this as his commercial mod but it can take several months :-( The best thing will be if this will be added to 7.1 development roaqdmap to top of the feature list but as nobody from devs replied here ...we dont know and even if boonex reply that they do it...we will never know how this gonna be. Its one of thing I really hate here that heaps of features and bugs are constantly moving/removing from roadmap and moving from section to section... and some even end up in dream section or section for issues that have to be resolved but without know date of completion where they can stay months and maybe removed at all from even there....

The whole idea of sub-admins or moderators becomes important only to those sites that have enough activities to keep the single lonely admin to his/her toes.

The fact that not many members here are complaining about not having a moderator capabilities worries me a little.
Can we deduce that there are not enough successful D7 sites?

In my case, I have multiple sites. Non of them are extremely busy but handling multiple sites is sort of like handling one busy site. I am starting to see heavier traffic in one of them. I spend a portion of my day managing minor tasks that I really wanted to hire someone to do.

OK, may be this statement will get Boonex's attention.

If you are planning on a big community site that will one day become a solid business then D7 will not cut it.
One of the biggest reasons?
You will be too busy deleting the spams and replying to small stuff emails from members and so on.
You seriously think you can grow big under these circumstances?

BTW, I have looked into some of the other alternatives also. So far Boonex is the best for my purposes.
I have over a dozen licenses. I am a serious customer for Boonex.
But I am keeping an eye on the new versions of Joomla and the developments around it.
Boonex....you listening?

Busdost: yeah you are right mate. I use also joomla on many of my sites and actually jomsocial getting better and better - with right combination of good other components Im able to easily build site in functionality very similar to dolphin and less bugs. Anyway still think that now dolphin is probably the best option for a community site but with rapid growt of azrul team (devs of jomsocial) jomsocial will become prolly a bigges competitor for boonex next year.

The thing is I really dont think there is some remarkable amount of really succesfull dulphin sites doing real business. I dont count that hundereds of test sites and sites with couple of active members or fake profiles. As I said- by my opinion D7 is at this stage not ready yet for real professional use ...but getting there. Hopefully from 7.1 it will be stable enough and features will really work how they are supposed to.

Im also bit scared from fact that seems that just few people cares about sub admin or manager accounts. I think its because many of people here dont run a site on profi level and mainly just testing and waiting for next releases. Its okay administer one small site with 100 members by one person but its impossible administer site with ....say 500 or more active members by one person only. Especially for people like me or Busdost who have more sites its impossible to care about all by one admin

 BOONEX CAN U SHARE WITH US YOUR THOUGHTS ABOUT MANAGER? SUB ADMIN LEVEL ACCOUNT PLEASE ?

Actually, the issue with creating a moderator system is pretty easy.  I did this for a much more complex system under ZenCart, and just re-programmed the menu. If you have a certain admin access level, you only get certain menus. Was a single table with a login looking up the values of the menus items and then builds the menu. You only screw with the menu system, instead of the core files.

If you run the Admin menu like you do the USER Navigation menu, then it would be ultra easy.

richmanfl: well as simpliest solution its better than nothing - but only hiding  menus dont stop more advanced admins to actually access some functions by using direct links so I think it should be accomplished by serious user permissions based on special level of accounts which block they owners( subadmins) to access some features at all ( if they are not allowed to  by superadmin). Anyway thanks for your thoughts.

Ok there is a new module Called Multi Admin Access which will function with all the permissions set for each Admin.

http://www.boonex.com/m/multi-admin-access

I think it is secure, and will help with all the people who desire moderators, and special admin access!

Finally a solution!